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    Palestine Facts

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    135 Responses toIsraeli Palestinian Conflict

    Liz H.

    July 14, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    This whole site is propagandized BS and it is apparent to almost everyone who visitsthis site. Additionally, the audacity it takes to name a website Palestine FACTS insuch a context is atrocious. I am not of the Jewish faith, nor am I Palestinian/an Arabspeaker. Yes you may be assured that I am no anti-semite (referring to its ORIGINALroot meaning, semite meaning Jew or Arab) I am merely just another unbiased

    observer that has taken the time to read through flawed rhetorica tool that,unfortunately, has been used to ruin lives for the past several decades. Though youprobably will not publish this comment (why would you? it would be out of keepingwith the new anti-boycott law mentality) I know it will be read. Therefore, as long as

    those that publish sites such as these are forced to reflect on how their actions mayresemble those of a Motzi Sheim Ra, I am satisfied.

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    o MichaelSeptember 2, 2011 at 2:31 am

    Liz,

    I totally agree with you. What a crock to call this website PALESTINEFACTS! Id like to know who is behind this website! Strangely enough, youdont see any names on this website, except on a photograph. I am almost

    certain that this website has been put up by jewish individuals with a slantedview of reality! What a shame that historical distortions continue to drive awedge between peoples of the world and the cause of peace and justice! Of allpeople, you would think that persecuted jewish people would be the most justand sympathetic in dealing with other persecuted people!

    I just watched an Al Jazeera documentary (Witness: The Land Speaks Arabic)with interviews about the atrocities commited by the Hagana in the 30s and 40sin Palestine and how so many poor Palestinians were killed (includingpregnant women) and tens of their villages were taken by force. There were

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    eyewitness accounts of the brutal kilings of their Palestinian friends andfamilies! They talked of merciless shootings of hundreds of peole at random! Isaw newspaper headlines of the time, confirming these facts, including thebombing of the King David Hotel, train derailments, explosions and manyother terrorist acts which were terrorist acts of the Hagana, designed to

    destabilize Palestine and send the poor, unarmed villagers and city dwellersrunning for their lives. Menachem Begin was one of the terrorists wanted forthese crimes along with many others. I couldnt believe my eyes! Menachem

    Begin, a wanted terrorist, who later became the prime minister of Israel? Howcould such a thing happen?

    Thankfully most Israeli citizens are in favor of peace and a Palestinian state.Now if we could get rid of distortions like this website or any similar website,be they pro-Israel or pro-Palestine, the world would stand a better chance offinally seeing peace in the Middle East.

    What audacity! PALESTINE FACTS!!!!

    o MichaelSeptember 2, 2011 at 2:37 am

    I totally agree wtih you Liz. What audacity! PALESTINE FACTS!!!! I suspectthis website has been put up by certain jewish people with an agenda,disguised as impartial providers of facts. All you need to do is to watch theAl Jazeera documentary called Witnes: The Land Speaks Arabic. It talks

    about the many terrorits acts of the Hagana, merciless killings (includingpregnant women), bombings and terror to create instability in Palestine andtaking over many tens of villages.

    The bombing of the King David Hotel in Palestine by Menachem Begin (whoin those days was a wanted terrorist!!) and others..

    PALESTINE DISTORTIONS is more like it!

    o Joe from Boston

    September 20, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    I disagree with Liz H (as does the historical record, which neither she nor i canmake up at this late date).

    UN Resolution 181 was passed by the General Assembly of the United Nationson November 29, 1947 with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, 10 abstentions andone nation absent.One of the provisions of Resolution 181 reads in relevant part:Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime forthe City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into

    existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of

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    the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1October 1948.

    So way back in 1947, the Arabs had the UN approval for a state, which theyREJECTED. Now they want a do-over, mulligan, second chance, etc.

    Lets look at some other historical events, which anyone can read about in old

    newspapers.

    The population of Palestine was divided on accepting Resolution 181. TheJewish Palestinians accepted the Resolution. The Arab Palestinians were oftwo minds; some stayed in place as if nothing was happening, and someresponded to the entreaties of the surrounding Arab countries to evacuate, sothat a war could be fought and won against the Jews, and then the ArabPalestinians could return.Although all of the surrounding Arab countries including Lebanon, Syria,

    Jordan, and Egypt attacked Israel (as did several other Arab countries), theIsraelis were not defeated.

    In the Fall of 1956, Great Britain and France became angry when Egyptnationalized the Suez Canal. In the 1956 war, Great Britain, France and Israelall fought against Egypt. Although Israel captured the Sinai Peninsula, itagreed to return that captured territory to Egypt.

    In June 1967, in response to the Egyptian blockade of the port of Eilat, Israelfought the Six Day War with Egypt. Jordan was warned to stay out of the fight,but elected to participate anyway, as did Syria. Israel won territory on allfronts. Israel again handed the Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt.

    In 1973, several Arab states began a surprise attack on Israel on Yom Kippur.After several weeks, Israel again prevailed, and again turned captured territoryback to Egypt.

    How many other military victors have turned territory back to the vanquished?If you pick a fight and you lose, generally that is your tough luck, and youshould take responsibility for your actions.

    And how do you negotiate with someone who wants nothingmore than to killyou? Do you think the US could have negotiated with Osama bin Laden?

    So please tell me what the crock is, when this web site reports events that did

    occur, other than your OBVIOUS BIAS.

    o StoshSeptember 27, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Liz, the term anti-Semite was coined in the late 19th century by German

    philosophers and writers to describe those people who hated Jews. The termhas nothing to do with Arabs, in spite of the fact that they are also Semites.

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    o Robert M. SiegfriedOctober 2, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    From your comment about not being an antisemite in the original meaning of

    the term, does this mean that you are following the part line of Arab anti-Zionists who use this semantic argument to cover their Jew-hatred?

    One fact remainsJews living today are of Semitic, middle eastern descentand historically come from the area of mandatory Palestine. The bulk ofIsraels Jews are of more immediately Middle Eastern descent, i.e., Yemenite,

    Syrian, Moroccan, Tunisian, Persian, Libyan, Egyptian, Iraqi, etc. Populationexchanges have happened before and led to stable homelands. But in this case,the desire to keep Palestinian victimhood alive, they are denied citizenship inevery Moslem country except Jordan, kept in refugee camps and even whenthey are permanently settled in other countries (such as the US), their status are

    refugees is maintained by the UN.

    o RebekahOctober 4, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Are you people who disagree by any chance in or have been in collegebetween the year 2000 up to now and taking history as a major or just as ageneral classbecause if not please dont talk about things you know nothingabout because people use this for research whether right or wrong and yourconfusing them and me.

    o Benyamin SolomonMarch 21, 2012 at 4:36 am

    Liz, how are you unbiased? This site provides factual information on the Arab-Israeli conflict. Liz, you clearly are another one of these anti-Israelpropagandists, which is being anti-Semitic in nature. Lets refute some of yourclaims.

    Yes you may be assured that I am no anti-semite (referring to its ORIGINALroot meaning, semite meaning Jew or Arab)

    That argument has been used as a cover by anti-Semites. While Semitesinclude Jews, Arabs, and other peoples, any dictionary definition will tell youthat anti-Semitism means being against Jews for being Jews.

    I am not of the Jewish faith, nor am I Palestinian/an Arab speaker.

    Who cares what your ethnicity or nationality is [there is no such thing as a"Palestinian" people; but that's another area of discussion]? Not everyone, who

    hates Israel has to be Arab or Muslim. In fact, there are self-hating Jews, whohate Israel as well.

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    The claim that there is more legal authority for Israel than nations previously set up bymass displacement and force is threadbare if we look at history of morals and ethics.What went for 1500 does not go for 1947 and the force against hundreds of thousandsof Arab Palestinians whod lived there under VARIOUS regimes.

    In any case, modern genetics and anthropology suggest strongly that the Jews evolvedFROM the Hittitesthey did not conquer them, nor the Canaanites, as the Bible said.Speaking of that, modern legal parlance has no brief of Biblical text as justification fornation-states that displace others. Or existing at all.

    As to the notion

    Those are the main points, I think.

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    o Hind ReftarAugust 13, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    very true, i would know since Im from Palestine myself. Very devasting forhow long Israel has been fighting them; and Israel was lieng to the world too.They owned big named shops and stores and with the money they got, theygave it to the soldiers to buy weapons. WE need to spread the word. Its just

    horrible.

    o Big fellaAugust 27, 2011 at 3:51 am

    The Belfor agreement was1st imposed to stop Zionist terrorist attacking Arabvillages and massacing the inhabitians. These Zionist terrorist are refurred to inTH Lawances book the seven pillors of wisdom. It was intended to make peaceand allow the Zionist a homeland but it was used as a wedge to expand theZionist settlements. This was why the Zionist attempted a pact with Hitlerwhom they met with for 2 weeks in the lead up to WW2 The British blocked itas a breach of good faith and the terror began again. They have not changed

    thier views and want to return of all of ZION. They are racist and terrorist!

    o DavidSeptember 6, 2011 at 3:41 am

    It is a biblical issue. Read all of the prophets in the old testament and Romans11 and Revelation and you will find that Israel will never be driven from theirland again. And incidentally that is what Jacobs trouble and Armageddon is allabout. All the Nations will be gathered together for judgment and will bepunished for their treatment of Gods chosen. Just watch and see, you will see it

    with your own eyes and hopefully remember this post. It is very interesting.

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    o Robert M. SiegfriedOctober 2, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    I have a hard time taking criticism from a Brit (half or whole) because the

    British colonial policies are responsible for so many current conflicts includingNorthern Irelan, India and of course the Middle East. Jews stand out in thisregard for several reasons, the most important of which is that 2000 years afterour homeland was taken over, we are still targeted for violence based on ourethnic identification. This is true today in Venezuela and in Europe where it isviewed as a form of protest by Arabs in Europe for Israeli policy of existing.

    As far as ancestry is concerned, modern genetic suggest that we are middleeasternI think that it is harder to pin it down more specifically than that.Frankly, I would gladly give South Carolina back to the Catawbas. Perhapsyour hatred of Israel is covering up your guilt for living on stolen land.

    Cyril ReynoldsAugust 15, 2011 at 2:28 am

    Britain promised Palestine to both Jews and Arabs but the Jews had morer money.Duriung WW2 Jewish elements asked the Nazi Government of Germany for help.Soldiers of the Brtish Army Airborne Division who saved Jews in GermanConcentration Camp were later murdered by Palestinian Jews like at the King DavidHotel. In 1946 30 percent of Palestine was Jewish and of these a half had been born inother countries. There will be no peace in the world as long as the USA supports aterrorist nation like Israel. I was in Palestine in 1946,

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    Rebecca FahlinAugust 16, 2011 at 2:48 am

    If there was a country called Palestine and not just a terrority called Palestine before1948, what was their currency, what did their the national flag look like, what did the

    seal of the ruler look like, etc, etc?! In other words where is the evidence!

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    jahan morehAugust 24, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Cyril Reynolds writes: Duriung [sp] WW2 Jewish elements asked the NaziGovernment of Germany for help..

    What evidence do you have to support this assertion? Who were these Jewishelements? What makes you believe that the Nazi government of Germany would do

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    anything to help Jews as they were murdering 6,000,000 of them? You are entitled toyour opinion, but not to your version of fact or history.

    Here is a fact: in the 1930s the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a known collaborator

    with Hitler and personally responsible for the death of 12,000 Bosnian Jews. This is a

    published FACT in the book Icon of Evil. So, the next time anyone says thatPalestinians, Arabs, or Moslems had NOTHING to do with the Holocaust, think ofthis FACT. The Arabs had many things to do with the Holocaust and their GrandMufti (may he NOT rest in peace) is personally responsible for the death of at least12,000 European Jews.

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    o diane arceneauxAugust 27, 2011 at 12:24 am

    i agree with liz and wakefield. israel propaganda is so transparent if you payattention to the rest of the news.

    Arnaldo SallesAugust 30, 2011 at 5:25 am

    Foreign Office,November 2nd, 1917.

    Dear Lord Rothschild,

    I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majestys Government,

    the following declaration of sympathy with Palestinian aspirations which has beensubmitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:His Majestys Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a

    national home for the Palestinian people, and will use their best endeavours tofacilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shallbe done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Palestinianscommunities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Palestinians in

    any other country.I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of thePalestinian National Authority.

    Yours sincerelyArthur James Balfour

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    o Joe from BostonSeptember 20, 2011 at 5:29 pm

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    Arnaldo Salles has a strange sense of humor.

    The text of the letter of November 2nd 1917 says:

    His Majestys government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of

    a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours tofacilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood thatnothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights ofexisting non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political statusenjoyed by Jews in any other country.

    Not even a good try. Just a clear expression of BIAS.

    Bjarne FoghSeptember 4, 2011 at 12:39 am

    To Arnaldo Salles:The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated 2 November 1917) was a letter from theBritish Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (WalterRothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, fortransmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.

    His Majestys government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a

    national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate theachievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be donewhich may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communitiesin Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.[1]

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    Anne-MarieSeptember 7, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Before you charge me with being a Jew, please note: My mother was a WASP ofGerman, Norman English and Scottish origin. My father was Serbian Christian

    Orthodox. I am an aetheist. Just because you dont like the history, doesnt make thehistory a lie. Every word on this website is historically verifiable and true. You havelet your hatred of Jews cloud your judgment. And, Liz, you are a garden-variety anti-semite. What facts do you have to back up your comments? That you choose tobelieve Arab revisions of history without question or facts to back it up is telling. And,there was once a country called Phillistia thousands of years ago, but they ceased toexist before the Roman Empire ruled the area. They were the historical enemy of theearly Jews, so the Romans renamed all of the Jewish lands Phillistia to make a pointto the increasingly rebellious Jews they had just expelled from their lands. Remnantsof the Jewish people remained and have been there for thousands of years. They haveno less right to a little patch of that land than the Muslims they shared the land with.

    Just like Muslim Indians decided to break away with Hindu India and formed the stateof Pakistan. Because they wanted to govern themselves. Why do the Jews have any

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    less of a right to govern themselves than the Pakistanis? Or the Palestinians who nowcall themselves Jordanian? Or the Albanians who severed Kosovo from Serbia?

    READ YOUR HISTORY!

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    Anne-MarieSeptember 7, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Cyril, after all the atrocities and terrorism the British empire has inflicted on theworld, a Brit calling another nation a terrorist nation is a little hypocritical dont you

    think? All I can say about the British colonial presence in the world is Good Riddance!Sorry, am I wrong in assuming you are British?

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    Mark DavisSeptember 9, 2011 at 2:55 am

    Anne-Marie says it all most eloquently. Garden variety anti-semites like Liz arealways a mystery to me. Whilst I can understand the emotions however misplaced ofan Arab Palestinian (as distinct from what were Jewish Palestinians) about what theythink is a raw deal (I hasten to add that any raw deal they may think they have wasentirely and remains entirely of their own making), but what drives someone to blindlyhate Jews. Does she hate Tootsies over Hutus or one Somalian tribe over anotherwithout knowing anything about them. Why isnt she angry about the 2000 Syrian

    civilians killed in the last few months by Assad or the thousands of Khurds killed byTurkey in Northern Iraq. Was she indoctrinated at a young age by anti-semitic parentsor impressed by an equally ill-informed socialist boy friend along the way. Perhapshowever it simply that she prefers to believe the lies and mis-truths that Arab mediaand even bigoted western media put out, After all she did quote Al Jazeera bastion ofbi-partisan journalistic integrity as a source, which gives us a good idea of where herstance eminates from.

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    FredSeptember 9, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    So Liz H. says absolutely nothing negative about Jewsonly calling into question theinformation on the site, which she correctly identifies as propagandabut pro-Israelcommenters, undeterred by the complete lack of evidence for the charge, slander heras a garden variety anti-Semite who blindly hates Jews. Its a perfect example ofthe way in which groundless accusations of anti-Semitism are deployed as a tool bypeople like Anne-Marie and Mark to try to protect Israel from criticism. What they

    dont realize is that every time they pull out their old standby slur in situations like thisone where its so clearly unwarranted, they just demonstrate to more and more people

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    how morally bankrupt and intellectually dishonest they are. The fact that they resort tothese kinds of tactics rather than engaging in honest discussion and debate speaksvolumes.

    Thanks for the comment, Liz; you were spot on. More and more people are seeing

    through Israels hasbara (as embodied in sites like this one) to the plain fact of theracist treatment of Palestinians, and its only a matter of time before the tide turns

    decisively.

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    o StoshSeptember 27, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Fred, youve got it backwards. Liz H. calls the info on this site propagandized

    BS but then offers not a single rebuttal to any of the facts here. In addition,she bowdlerizes the term anti-Semite and is clearly unaware of its trueorigins. So add ignorance to malicious intent on her part.

    As far as racism is concerned, you should know that an Arab state was set upin 1922 comprising over 75% of the original Palestinian Mandate, in which itis forbidden for any Jew to own land or become a citizen. That state is todaycalled Jordan and its racist laws are still on the books. Todays Palestinians

    have been open in expressing their desire for homeland that is also judenrein,as their envoy to the U.S. was quoted espousing such a position just a fewweeks ago. By contrast, Arabs and other non-Jews make up about 20% ofIsraels population, are citizens with elected representatives in the Knesset,with the same rights as all other citizens. So who is the racist here?

    And for the record, when Transjordan was hived off from the Mandate in 1922,there were several Jewish villages that were forced to move west of the JordanRiver. That was better than the fate of the Jews living in Hebron during theArab pogrom of 1929, or those living in the West Bank back in 1948, who

    were ethnically cleansed by the Arab Legion from east Jerusalem, GushEtzion, etc. I guess its much easier to pretend to not be racist when you just getrid of all the undesirables up front, eh?

    JohnSeptember 16, 2011 at 7:37 am

    Why did the Arabs reject the original UN-plan from 1947?Why do we see same things happen now after The Arab Spring?Why do we see Turkey enchanting and blowing the fire in Egypt these days?

    Simply because the Arab World want to blow the Jews into the sea as they alwayswanted too.

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    No surprise these nations said no to UNs plan( United Nations General AssemblyResolution 181 (II) Future Government of Palestine) Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt,Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.

    Ups, same countries who still today want control over the region, weird no? No, its the

    same story and they will not give up until the Jewish State is gone.

    Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Holy War Army,Arab Liberation Army and the Muslim Brotherhood attacked in the war 1948 and justwait, with the situation in Egypt and when The Muslim Brotherhood win the electionwe will see more attacks on Israel.

    Palestine could have had their own state in 1948, but they refused!! Backed up by theArab League they thought they could have all, but at least Israel had courage, speciallyin 1967 where 230.000 troops were knocking their borders.

    All you Anti-Israel, just be aware, the future is on stake and seems like the world isgoing to be the loser.

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    o Owen david TshabalalaJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    my fellow human beings and brothers and sisters in humanity, looking at thequestion of palistine and the question of occupation of palistine by thesupposed israeli nation who claim that they are the true occupants of the landrefered to as israel,we find that this people refering to themselves as jewsmojority of them are europeans who dont have any historical link to palistineanthropologically,historicaly,culturally and traditionaly, this tells us that thecreation of israel by the british colonial empire represent european colonialcrime that the empire is famous. most of people who comment negativellyagaist palistinian are people who are either ignorent of the history of judaismand its people. the claim over palistine by jewish groups representinjustice,fraud and dicit,becuase they claim to be a nation and not a religiousgroup, but actually they are a religious groups that comes from different

    nations if i am incorrect then provide then provide proof agaist my argument.

    Will GadallSeptember 17, 2011 at 5:14 am

    No UN, decision, no myth, nothing justify the slaughtering of a nation, to establishanother because they belong to a religion that lived there 3 thousands years ago!claiming to be the descendants of the original Jewish Semites! Which is known to be afabricated lie, the eastern European Jews came from the dissolved old Khazarkingdom which converted to Judaism in the 10 century! the real descendants of the

    historical Israelite are the Palestinians, read Shlomo Sandss The invention of the

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    Jewish people, I know this is not going to be published, because this is the truth thatany independent researcher will find.

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    o StoshSeptember 27, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    You discredit yourself with that Khazar nonsense. If the Ashkenazi (centraland east European) Jews were descendants of the Khazars (a Turkic tribe), whyis it that Yiddish, the language they spoke, is derived from medieval Germanwith not a trace of Turkish words, grammar, etc.? On the other hand, there areplenty of Hebrew words in it and even a smattering of Slavic. Why was thatlanguage written with the Aramaic letters (Aramaic being the lingua franca ofthe Levant 2000 years ago). And why is it that DNA tests showed that the

    group of people most closely related to Ashkenazi Jews are the Sephardi Jews,who went around the Mediterranean by an entirely different route over those2000 years. Finally, the presence among the Ashkenazim of kohens(descendants of the Jewish priests) and levites totally demolishes that theory,since none of those would have been present among the Khazars. The kohens,by the way, have been shown to share a DNA marker passed down through themale line that appears to have originated in the Near East about 3000 yearsago.

    Shlomo Sands? Hes a paskudyak. And you can look it up.

    HusniSeptember 18, 2011 at 5:17 am

    I cant believe that some think that this is right, seriously if you want to know a bit ofPalestines history your going to have to go back 3000 years ago! Not 100 years+ Im

    a Palestanian and I know

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    Stosh

    September 27, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Youre right. 3000 years ago was when King David conquered Jerusalem and

    made it the capital of Israel. There has been a Jewish presence in the land eversince, in spite of foreign occupiers like the Romans, the Arabs, the Turks andthe British. That presence, and 1000 years of persecution of Jews in bothChristian and Muslim lands are the basis of moral right of the Jewish people totheir own state in the land that the Romans named Palestine.

    steff

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    September 19, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Well well well, the jews are at it again, if u look back in history u will see its thepalestinians who own the land what the jews did to them was disgusting. Why arntIsrael been held for war crimes against humanity.And most of the jews who have

    settled there are from America n they call it there home land. Im just stating thehistoricall facts.

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    abumizSeptember 21, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    How dare you calling your propaganda as Palestine Facts?!! You should call it

    apartheid Israel Facts and lies, and the Zionists criminals themselves, like: Herzl,

    Gurion, Weismann, Jabotinsky, Weitz, Ruppin, Ussishkin, Smilansky, Zuchovitzky,Zangwill, Epstein. who started the movement and helped founding this apartheid

    and racist state in Palestine can give you the real facts about their crimes and ethniccleansing.

    In 1891 Ahad HaAm wrote: We abroad are used to believe the Eretz Yisrael is now

    almost totally desolate, a desert that is not sowed. But in truth that is not the case.Throughout the country it is difficult to find fields that are not sowed. Only sand dunesand stony mountains are not cultivated. (Righteous Victims, p. 42)

    Israel Zangwill, who had visited Palestine in 1897: Palestine proper has already its

    inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem is already twice as thickly populated as theUnited States, having fifty-two souls to the square mile, and not 25% of them Jews.. We must be prepared either to drive out by the sword the Arab tribes in

    possession as our forefathers did or to grapple with the problem of a large alienpopulation, mostly Mohammedan and accustomed for centuries to despise us.

    (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 7- 10, and Righteous Victims, p. 140)

    And the Russian racist Zeev Jabotinsky advocated the colonization of Palestine underthe protection of arms regardless of the Palestinian peoples objections. He stated in

    1925:

    Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carriedout in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore,continue and develop under the protection of a force independent of the localpopulationan iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, into, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would be hypocrisy.(Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 28)The same racist wrote in an essay, titled The Iron Law, explaining how Zionist

    colonization of Palestine should be done. He wrote: If you wish to colonize a land in

    which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find abenefactor who will maintain the garrison on your behalf. Zionism is a colonizing

    adventure and, therefore, it stands or falls on the question of armed forces.

    (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 45)He also wrote: There is no choice: the Arabs must make room for the Jews of Eretz

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    Israel. If it was possible to transfer the Baltic peoples, its also possible to move the

    Palestinian Arabs. (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 29)As you see the Zionists didnt have problem talking about their racist colonial settler

    project!

    As you see the Zionists didnt have problem calling their racist project as a colonialsettler project, but ignorant like yourself says otherwise!!

    Here is another criminal explains the Zionist story, Ben Gurion who was an atheist andknew that the myth of 2000 years is plain legend but he didnt mind believing in

    god promised land, a typical Zionist hypocrite, he said:Why should the Arabs make peace? IfI was an Arab leader I would never maketerms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised itto us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel,its true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one

    thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? Theymay perhaps forget in one or two generations time, but for the moment there is nochance. So its simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our

    whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out. But how can you sleep with that prospect in mind, I broke in, and be PrimeMinister of Israel too?Who says I sleep? he answered simply. (The Jewish Paradox by Nahum Goldman, p.99).BTW Gurion was an atheist, and knew that the myth of 2000 years is plain legend buthe didnt mind accepting god promised land, a typical Zionist hypocrite. Also youneed to check the agreement between the Nazis and the Zionists to transfer EuropeanJews into Palestine, and later the Zionist plan to transfer the Arab natives out of theirland, Plan Dalet.

    Moshe Dayan as quoted in Haaretz, 4 April 1969: Jewish villages were built in theplace of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and Ido not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books notexist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul;Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and KefarYehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in thiscountry that did not have a former Arab population.

    Moshe Dayan said in 1956, just 8 years after Al Nakba, and before PLO or Hamaseven existed: Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we

    to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in theirrefugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land andvillages in which they and their forefathers have lived. -Iron Wall.

    It is the occupation, stupid.

    Learn from history, apartheid south Africa, which started in the same time as apartheidIsrael, had its racist supporters who used holy books to steal the natives land and

    properties while calling them terrorists and savages, and it had nukes likeapartheid Israel, but it is history now, and Mandela, who knows apartheid very well

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    and called the Israeli occupation state as an apartheid, became a president in his owncountry and homeland, and the same with Palestine, the colonial settlers from Russiaand Moldavia, like the racist thug Lieberman, dont belong to Palestine and not any ofthe Zionists who started the movement belong to Palestine, check out their names andaccents!!!

    Nothing last for ever, especially a rotten racist apartheid.

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    ChrisSeptember 22, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Perhapes Turkey should give Instanbul back to the Greeks. Maybe Poland should givePrussia back to Germany. We could go on and on throughout history. The Arabs won

    that land by conquest. And by conquest they lost it!The Holy Mount was crafter by Jews 3-4000 yrs ago. To claim it is Arab and Muslimis wrongIt is that simple

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    iwolfmanSeptember 24, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    I urge the owners of this website to make themselves and their affiliations known. Byrefusing to do so, you raise questions about your real intent, and make the most open-minded of visitors doubt the veracity of your content.

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    o adminSeptember 26, 2011 at 7:10 am

    Dear iwolfman,

    We, at Palestinefacts.org just manage the website from a technical point ofview. All the comments that come in are from the visitors and we only act asmoderators by removing spam and hate comments. We do not influence thecontent in any way. By remaining anonymous we ensure that we do not getbiased comments.

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    I agree with Chris, Sept 22

    To the victor go the spoils.

    The Ottoman Empire sided with Germany in WWI. Germany lost; the British and

    French won, the Ottoman Empire fell. The League of Nations in 1920 gave Francemandates over Syria and Lebanon, and gave Britain mandates over Mesopotamia andPalestine; in 1922 the Palestinian mandate was sub-divided to create Transjordan,leaving only about 22% of the original Palestinian Mandate as territory from which aJewish national homeland was to be created.

    The rest, as they say, is history.

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    o TMGJanuary 21, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    To the victor go the spoils Maybe it wasnt victory since there is still unrest

    there over 60 years later with out much improvement. A two state solution isthe only answer I can see as of now. You cant have a bunch of displaced

    Israelies. But Israel needs to return the occupied lands the are continuing tobuild settlements on. Thumbing their nose at the US and Britain because thiswas the agreed upon land that the Palestinians were to live on.

    It almost looks like the segregated south in the Jim Crow era. No one whiteswanted blacks in their neighborhood, schools, hospitals, grocery stores, etc.Terrorized them, bombed them, lynched them, created laws to oppress them inhopes that they would go away and live somewhere else. Seems like this iswhat Israel wants. Palestinians to go away when they have a right to the landthey have lived on for thousands of years. Palestinians are not Europeantransplants. They are the locals.

    JuliaSeptember 25, 2011 at 3:13 am

    Honestly I dont know much about the whole situation, but if theres one thing Ive

    learned in life is that it takes two to fight a war. Both parties are at fault, and none ofthe comments have really bothered to mention that. Which to me is the mostdisappointing thing of all.

    Maybe if everyone could just admit they were wrong, then maybe, just maybe wecould come up with a solution civilly?

    ( Oh sorry, I forgot! Both states are too tied up in their own religions -meaning theradicals are running the show. I guess coming up with a civil solution is impossible. -

    cynical me. )

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    But hey! Heres a suggestion! Instead of arguing over who is right and who is wrong,how about throwing some ideas on how to fix the problem?

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    o Jacinta HarrisSeptember 27, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Julia I am right there with you. The inference that the Jews are wanting tobuild a Zion nation is a sad misrepresentation at best. Perhaps they simply havelost the meaning of what Zion is all about. Zion was the name given by God toEnochs city which, because of their righteousness, was taken up into Heaven.

    To establish a Zion community all the people have to be of one heart and one

    mind meaning one in purpose and dwell in righteousness which means

    according to the laws of God.

    Whilst ever anyone uses weapons of any description they are oppressors andthe oppressed will fight against them.

    As you stateunless they put their religions aside and begin to look at eachother as neighbours and not enemiesthey will never achieve a Zionistcommunity.

    When Jesus taught the well known parable of the good Samaritan, he knewwhat he was saying! All would do well to remember that the Jews andSamaritans were enemiesyet it was not until a humble Samaritan assisted thewounded Jew that anything constructive was doneand guess what? Lovingthey neighbour is not just a Christian thing!

    So, in conclusionI declare to all those who read thisno matter whatreligion there is one commandment we all have in commonlove thyneighbour as thyself. I guess until people are willing to put aside their hatredand suspicion, Zion will never be established and neighbour will continue tofight against neighbour. Truly the words of Isaiah are coming truethere is nomystery herethey are coming true because people are blindly followingwhatever malice they choose. They hate their neighbour and therefore hate

    themselves. I guess they dont sleep well at night either.

    Sigh. Everyone should watch The Grinch who stole Christmas.

    o abumizSeptember 29, 2011 at 5:20 am

    Read about the One Secular Democratic State solution. A state for all itscitizens regardless of their religions, and backgrounds. That doesnt work withthe Zionists ideology who want to have Palestine as a Jewish state.

    Also if you dont know much about the situation, educate yourself about somebasic history facts, and study a little bit about colonialism, Zionism, and the

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    history of the region, because you are clearly mixing between EuropeanZionist colonial settlers and the Arab natives population of Palestine whichinclude Arab Jews, Christians, Muslims and non religious groups.

    Also if you are interested of a solution find out first if your state is involved or

    assisting the Israeli apartheid state. And ask you government to stop aidingracist apartheid. Many European states, alongside, US, and Canada aided theracist colonial settlers in South Africa and their racist regime there, and used tocall Mandela as a terrorist.And to make it simple for you, when Mandela, who knows about apartheidvery well, calls the Israeli occupation state as an apartheid, you need to stopand think about it, plus you already said that you dont know much about thesituation so dont add misleading statement like: Both parties are at fault and

    make both, the occupier colonial settler and the native as equal in the crime,forgetting that Palestinians didnt force themselves on the Russian andEuropean colonial settlers who seek their god promise land it is the other

    way around, or maybe the Palestinians on their own wanted to be in refugeecamps and the civilized colonial settlers had nothing to deal with it!!!I already posted a comment before yours with documented quotes from theZionist criminals themselves, they talked openly about their colonization toPalestine, go back and read them and try to answer to their racist ideology.

    And here is what Mandela had to say, so you dont need to say anymore thatno body told me about apartheid Israel: The Palestinian state cannot be the

    by-product of the Jewish state, just in order to keep the Jewish purity of Israel.Israels racial discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is aJewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which non-Jewscannot do. Palestinian Arabs have no place in a Jewish state.Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions ofPalestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of grossracial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated andtortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. Ithas, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particularchildren. From a letter from Nelson Mandela to Thomas Friedman.

    See The Zionist Story documentary, you can find the full documentary onyoutube and it is made by an ex Israeli soldier who served in the Israeli

    occupation forces.

    o HalaDecember 12, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Have you ever heard an israeli official admit that they are wrong. To them thePalestinians are always and the only ones at fault. If it wasnt for the supportand bullying of the United States and some europian countries, israel wouldhave not been so strong. But you know what, those 22 useless arab states couldhave changed things a lot if they have known how to bargain better for their

    oil. Complete stupidity on their part.

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    o kimFebruary 15, 2012 at 12:40 am

    Umm Owen you ruin your entire argument through sheer ignorance. The very

    uniqueness of Jews is that are a race and a religion and strive to be anationality while Palestinians historically have been many various races,nationalities and religions.

    What is astounding is the irrelevance of your statements.

    Julia, yes you are correct, it is in the hands of the radicals at the expense of thecommon people on both sides however, it is much more than religious fervorand much more international intrigue.

    MikeSeptember 28, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Julia had a great comment. We can delve into the history and morality of zionism andisrael all we want, but that does nothing to solve the problem. The fact of the matter is,there are two peoples claiming one land today, and there is legitimacy of both claims.The best answer to this problem is to divide the land, as the UN rightly reasoned in1947. Unfortunately, the palestinians rejected that, and continue to reject it to this day.They have to give up the fantasy that israel is a temporary presence (no matter howisrael allegedly came into being, whether through sin or through good), and sit downand make peace with it. That includes giving up the fictitious right of return. All we

    hear about today from palestinians, and their supposedly more palestinian westernfriends (who are really just israel-haters) is that there needs to be justice. This iscode for the end of israel. Im sorry guys, but thats a non-starter.

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    o abumizOctober 1, 2011 at 5:12 am

    its also important to point out that when zionism was initiated, there was noconcept of palestinians, jordanians, lebanese, or any other type ofcontemporary arab nationality.My respond to this pathetic history and typical Zionist facts, that they areArabs and the natives of the land including Arab Jews, and Christians, but theZionists and based on their own documented confessions, which you ignored,wanted to have a Jewish state for European Jews in Palestine, and expel theArab natives, See Plan Dalet.

    Also it is up to the Arabs to call themselves what ever they want to based ontheir lands, provinces names, like Syria or Palestine, which been used for

    couple thousands of years, and the Zionist colonial settlers from Moldavia,Russia. Lithuania, US, Canada, Germany, Poland, England. have legitimate

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    claims in Palestine as much as the Indian Muslims have legitimate claims inSaudi Arabia, and these colonial settler thieves have no right to plan any thingin land doesnt belong to them, but European racist colonialists had no respect

    for the natives, and their are still racists repeat the same old lies, and even dareto fabricate the natives history or even claim that they never existed!! No far

    back the apartheid of south Africa ended, the sister apartheid state to apartheidIsrael.

    Your problem, as any other Zionist, you can not see the racist core of yourZionist Ideology, and from history we can see that it was not a new thing, it isno different then the French colonialists in Algeria, who claims that Algeria ispart of France, or the racist colonial settlers in south Africa, and again whenMandela calls the Israeli occupation state as an apartheid, Zionistpropagandists need to zip it.

    Also instead of agreeing with Julia who was honest about her little knowledge,

    just try to answer to the points I mentioned and try to back up your facts withsome references, especially when stating that The arabs were given self-determination on 99% of the territory on which they were the majority. wheredid you get your info? And who beside the Arabs would have the right to givethem rights or to govern themselves and their lands, your Zionists colonialists,like the Hungarian Herzl, the Russian Jabotinsky, or the other colonialists, theBrits and the French?!!!

    And when you say: it is definitely not worth spending generations fighting

    over. again Ben Gurion, the criminal himself answered to your logic long

    time ago, and he also hoped the Arab would forget the Zionists theft, he said:Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never

    make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, Godpromised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. Wecome from Israel, its true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to

    them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was thattheir fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen theircountry. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or twogenerations time, but for the moment there is no chance. So its simple: we

    have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there.Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out.

    But how can you sleep with that prospect in mind, I broke in, and be PrimeMinister of Israel too?Who says I sleep? he answered simply. (The Jewish Paradox by Nahum

    Goldman, p. 99).

    Regarding the refugees camps, it is apartheid Israel who created the refugeesissue but based on the stupid logic of the Zionists, their Arab brothers need totake care of them, and no body need to talk about the Israeli occupation stateand its documented ethnic cleansing crimes, and by the way the apartheid ownarchive tell enough about these crimes, also dont forget that the other Arabstates are the result of the European colonizations, and they are stil struggling

    against, the uprising in Egypt was not only against Mubarak, the puppet, butmainly against the US who maintains this apartheid among the Arabs, while

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    controlling their resources of the region, simply if it were up to the Arabs, theywont be 22 carved states, but again your logic is part of this racist colonial

    mind, and you seem didnt learn from history.

    o Owen david TshabalalaDecember 27, 2011 at 7:48 am

    mike u need to be corrected there are no two people claiming the land, pleaseread,your argument does not make sense,because jews are not like palistiniansbecause they are nor a one race or one ethnic group but religious group likeany other groups but palistinians are an ethnic group sharing commonculture,history,customs and with different religions, but this is not a case to

    jews they dont share the same history,language and customs. on this note wehave to undestand that the creation of israel was a gross injustice by thecolonial powers. on the other hand of the argument of holocust we all know

    that eouropean jews suffred in the hands of a european dectator then this tell usthat european jews were supposed to be given part of europe not the middleeast. bernard ury you must read the proper history of the middle east beforeyou make statement that are full of fallacy and error.

    MikeSeptember 28, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    its also important to point out that when zionism was initiated, there was no concept

    of palestinians, jordanians, lebanese, or any other type of contemporary arabnationality. there was just one big giant territory populated mainly, but not exclusivelyby arabs. The arabs were given self-determination on 99% of the territory on whichthey were the majority. It was decided that self-determination would be granted toanother people on one tiny little strip of land that was important to them. So if thisland was stolen as the arabs allege, it is definitely not worth spending generations

    fighting over. However, instead of accepting this fate, the arabs have chosen tomanufacture a palestinian identity, and to keep palestinian refugees in disgustingcamps in their own countries, in the hopes of prolonging the conflict.

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    EthicsOctober 13, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Mike, there are lies and flasehoods on BOTH sides so there needs to be questioningand discusion on facts.

    The problems wih your argument is that you do not have an argument (statement)rather you appear to be regergitating sound-bites of data thus coming across as biasedand/or ill-informed. For example, it is not the little strip of land that was given to the

    protestors at the time by the British that is the cause for the current unrest and mistrust,it is the expansion of this original area and the Isreali control of (non-military)

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    supplies that is the problem eg: this is why they are called the Occupied Territories

    (this means an area of land occupied by an agressor).

    Irrespective of the position of others on this, you seem to be wanting to stand on oneor other side as a reason to flail and beat the enemy without having a true

    appreciation of the situation, or indeed needing it. I can see you doing exactly thesame under another flagwhichever gives you the most mileage.

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    EthicsOctober 13, 2011 at 10:19 am

    And to Abumiz, the land was Jewish a long way back, yes they lost it as did manyothers, but they managed to gain it back when the whole world was in termoil. And

    as in my reply to Mike, they should be resptected and be allowed to retain theORIGINAL land given to them. There needs to be focus and maturity in this situation.It is agreed, Isreal and its government are the source and cause of many atrocites butusing inflamatory language make you appear in the same form as the zealots you haveissue with.

    Isreal needs to be brought to account and the only effective way will be to record andpresent these atrocities on the world stage. ALL countries have a politcal goal, there isno affiliation unless there is political gain. If more of the atrocities could be shown(without retaliation) the peole of the world would stand up and say enoughhey,there is even a growing number of Isrealis that abhore the actions of their own Govt.and with enough evidence even the bullying, gun totin USA would step back and let

    there be reconcilliation.

    Be strong, be true but take care you do not fall into the same trap.

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    o YASSIR ARAFTApril 10, 2012 at 7:05 am

    The Jews that you are talking about were never there history only showsCanaanites which were Palestinians and black non Zionist Jews which werecalled Israelite so get your facts straight.

    MikeOctober 13, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    It is amazing to me, how israel, the most tolerant, pluralistic state in the entire middleeast, and zionism, one of the most liberal ideological movements in the history of

    humanity, are consistently maligned by those claiming to be anti-racist. Tell me, arethe palestinians racist because their national charter demands a palestinian ARAB

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    state that is part of the greater arab nation? What about all the non-arabs who livein the region? Please spare me the zionism is racism claim. States have a right to

    have ethnic identities, especially when that ethnic identity has been the cause ofterrible persecution, as is the case with Jewish ethnic identity. The Jews have a right tohave a homeland of their own, provided they give equal rights to non-jews living in it,

    as they do. The arabs also have a right to have a homeland of their own, and currentlythey have 22 such homelands. Jews have one. And it just so happens that that Jewishhomeland is the ONLY country in the middle east where arabs are truly free. There arearabs in the israeli knesset, arabs in the israeli army, arabs on the israeli supremecourt, and even a few years ago there was an arab Miss Israel. So get over this israelis racist claim. In addition, get over this idea that israel was created for european

    jews. Modern political zionism may have been started by jews living in europe, butisrael is for ALL jews. More than half of israels jewish population today is made upof Jews from arab and persian lands in the middle east. The real racism in the middleeast is arab racism against jews. Why is it that in israel, the jewish state, there are 1.5million arabs, but in all 22 arab countries, youd be hard-pressed to even find 1000

    Jews.

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    o MickNovember 16, 2011 at 3:42 am

    Mike, what planet do you live on? Your comment that Israel is the onlycountry in the Middle East where Arabs are truly free is so patently absurd thatits insulting. Israel is the ONLY country that has a system of roads that are for

    Jews only, and if an Arab has the temerity to use them is liable to serve amandatory 6 months in prison, and this is but one example of the racist policiesthat the Israeli Government uses to persecute the Palestinian people. SouthAfrica was rightly considered an international pariah for this same sort oftreatment of black Africans, and the ONLY reason that Israel is not treated thesame way is the fear in the minds of other counties of the hysterical cries ofAnti-Semitism that inevitably follow any criticism. Perhaps you should tryto move around Israel with Palestinian ID papers and see how you are treated.

    Tom ParisNovember 1, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Could you please provide a contact for the webmaster. Your website seems veryinteresting and certainly for any intelligent discourse on any topic you need to base iton facts, not opinion. I would be interested to know who the moderators are (notnecessarily your identities) but your motivations, qualifications, prejudices, etc.(Oftenwebsites contain this kind of info: Who We Are.) I am not interested in wasting mytime with either a pro-Palestinian or a pro-Israel web site, although I would be veryinterested in a web site that is trying to establish fact from fiction and opinion. After aquick reading of above commentary it would appear that this site is not moderated by

    a pro-Zionist outfit since there seems to a lot of negative commentary regarding yoursite.

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    For the life of me, why is so hard for 2 humans to live side by side in 2011 regardlessof the biblical history, why cant 1 side just give up land for the peace of unborn futuregeneration? Many have died in the course of fighting for statehood, land, border, rightto existence, we fight for a land that we eventual get buried in, I just want peacebetween the Isrealis and the Palestenians.

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    o arabiDecember 9, 2011 at 12:20 am

    i respect what u say can u accept some body take ur body leave in ur homesteel the love of ur mum and say that he is better than u.So its not quastion of

    land however its palestine: no thing for every thing i hope to understand what

    i mean thank u Joe

    o SirromDecember 11, 2011 at 4:37 am

    Why cant 1 side just give up land for the peace of unborn future

    generations?

    I believe Benjamin Netanyahu said it best during a speech that if the Arabs

    lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down itsweapons there would be no more Israel.

    Israel has given up enough. The Palastinians have avoided any direct talks withIsrael. Israel could give all of her land to the Palestinians and still thePalestinians, and other Arab countries, would want to kill them.

    o Owen david TshabalalaDecember 27, 2011 at 7:37 am

    my friends the creation of israel as a state in 1948 represented a pattern of land

    stilling that european were used to do, it is not accepted that one people by thehelp of corrupt empire like the western colonial masters still land ofpalistinians by lies ,decit,fraued and military conquest. the history of the jewishpeople is mark by historical fraud , that jews are a race or nation if jews areanation why do they come from different racial and ethnic groups?. most ofthis jewish groups anthropologicaly they are not of semitic stock.

    JohnDecember 10, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    As painful as it is to see people present arguments that are absent a factual basis, it iseven more painful to see the English language butchered. Lack of proper syntax, a

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    lack of spellingfor the sake of all that is good and holy, people, why would anyoneaccept an argument that is presented in such a manner?

    btw Stosh, how is it that if an Arab is a semite, those who hate him are not anti-Semitic?

    Joe from BostonIf your family was living on land for 50 generations, why wouldyou want to share it with a group of people who were having a homeland invented forthem, to quote Newt Gingrich? Of course the Jews accepted the proposal; they weregetting something. The Palestinians were losing something, actually having it stolenfrom them. There is no do-over in play here. And if you accept the fact that Britainwas in a position to dictate policy to anyone, would you accept China dictating policyto America?

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    o LarryDecember 14, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    John, interesting commentary. I agree that the Palestinian inhabitants wererobbed and displaced. I feel for them but there are two things at play here. Onething is the factual definitive, the fact that Palestine was not a country/nationbut an area and Israel as a nation was created with the worlds approval albeitnot 100 percent. The second thing to deal with is the injustice that was forcedupon the settlers/inhabitants of the Palestine area when they were forced outand lost their possessions.A similar argument can be used to describe many nations today and how theywere conquered peoples at one time or another. The young nation of Americadisplaced many peoples, Mexicans and Indians mostly.I guess the question I ask is since we all pretty much agree that a group ofpeople were wronged in their forced displacement is was there ever anycompensation? All the fighting that took place after the fact is a separate issue.Since we(world) agreed with Britain either implicitly or complicitly, we shouldfind out who was robbed and compensate them. The other issues areemotional.

    o

    Miriam

    January 24, 2012 at 5:27 am

    GOD gave Israel to the Jews. Never was their a Palestinian people, Yes, Arabsdid lived in Palestine among the Jewish, however, that does not make ArabsPalestinians. Israel belongs to the Jewish People GODS gift to them.

    Let the Arabs go live in Jordan where they belong with their people. This is notabout not having a home, this is about hating the Jewish people as they alwayshave.

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    Israel was given to the Jewish people by GOD what more do you need toknow. Palestine is a place not a people, the people who call themselvesPalestinians are ARABS and need to go home to JORDAN and beyond.

    Bernard UryDecember 11, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Do the Arabs have a right to a land of their own? Yes, they do, just as do other ethnicor national groups. Matter of fact, there is not just one Arab land but 21 of them (notincluding Palestine), covering 5,120,000 square miles and home to 345,840,398Arabs.

    Do the Jews have a right to a land of their own? Right now there is just one JewishlandIsraelcovering 8,000 square miles and home to 5,702,700 Jews (plus1,423,500 Arabs). Seems proper that this little smidgen of land could be left to the

    Jews.

    If the Jews didnt have Israel, where would they go for a land of their own? No wherein the world.

    But if the Arabs in Palestine (the West Bank) had to leave and so far no one isasking them tothey have a choice of 21 Arab lands to go to.

    Yes, there are all sorts of claims to homes, buildings, farms, businesses, etc. But whobesides the Jews (and some friends here and there) thought that these was much of anissue when the Jews were virtually exterminated in Eastern Europe during World WarII.

    The Jews said, Yes, we share the land with the Arabs, when the United Nationspartitioned the land. But the Arabs (not just the Palestinians) said, No, and went to

    war with the Jews. The Arabs lost their chance then; they tried war again two moretimes and lost twice. Why cant 345,840,398 Arabs live in peace and let 7,116,200Israeli Jews live in peace, too?

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    o

    Mohamed Wazit

    December 14, 2011 at 1:43 am

    the torah CLEARLY states that Jews are forbidden to have their own state, butI guess I can understand that no one really respects their religionanymore(including me).

    So, to see why the Arabs hate the Jews, you have to look at what they havebeen taught ever since they were small. The Arabs are brainwashed and thinkall Jews are bad, just like how the KKK brainwashes their children saying

    those who arent white are inferior. Thats the nature of humans, we just dowhat we were told when we were kids.

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    Just like how the south has many hate groups, so does the Arab world. Youcant really force them to change their minds, just like how the KKK will never

    change their minds.

    But besides the point, it doesnt give Israel any rights to claim a part of land

    theirs. If you look through history, the Romans have talked about Palestine,and Palestine is even mentioned in the bible, do they not have rights to theirown lands?

    o AtaDecember 19, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    There are just over 18 million Jews in the US. There are more Jews in Americathan any other country. The US donates and supports the Jews in everything or

    by the matter of fact the Jews run and own all America so why dont we give

    them America? another 7 millions is nothing to US and they can in peaceforever and America does not have to waste money by sending it to Israel. atleast the Jews will pay the US taxes for once!!!

    o phillipsDecember 21, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    How can you talk of a nation of Jews and then in the same breath talk about anArab nation, surely the topic is over the Israeli encroachment of Palestinianland, The Brits in the 1820s offered farms to poor British people who ended upbeing in the frontline of the Xhosa tribes, Havnt the Israelis taken a leaf fromthe Brits and invited every poor eastern block Jew a home in the promised landand put them in compounds (probably built with United States IN American

    $$s) on Palestinian land?

    o mrs realDecember 23, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    because arabs have an unreasonable innate hatred of jews.you have to live

    among both sides for a while to realise this but it is sadl y true.let us notforget whose side the arabs of this area were on in WW2they were alliedwith the nazis.there are many muslim arabs happily living and working in

    israelno one mentions thiswho have a way better life and way better rightsthan the arabs living in the rest of the middle east

    o JonathanJanuary 24, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    In reply to Mr. Mohamed Wazit below (some coding error or some such is

    preventing me from replying directly to his comment):

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    The Palestine in Roman times was not the current Arab Palestine. It was

    simply a name given to another region the Romans conquered. It was a landinhabited mostly by Jews, as it had been for hundreds or thousands of yearsbefore, depending how you account for the years the Jews were in exile orunder occupation from various foreign powers. The Romans called current-day

    France Gaul, old parts of Germany were called Prussia so for thatreason the only thing tying current-day Palestinians to Roman Palestine is thename. The land now called Israel and Palestine has been the ancestral home ofthe Jews for millenia, in addition to Arab families living there side-by-sidewith them over the years, at times peacefully (mostly before the invention ofIslam). The vast majority of Palestinians today would have been considered

    something else entirely 100 years ago, much like Jordanian, Syrian, etc are

    all recent inventions due to the random border-drawing of the Ottomans,Britons, and French in the last few hundred years. Under the Ottomans theyplaced their allegiance with tribes and large extended families, not withnationalities. This can be easily seen in many of the current sectarian and

    ethnic tensions inside a number of Middle Eastern countries today.

    o AmarisFebruary 11, 2012 at 6:35 am

    @ Mohamed WazitThe Torah does not state that the Jews are forbidden tohave their own state. That is a belief held by a very small faction of radical,very religious Jews called the Neturei Karta who opposed the new politicalideology of Zionism that was attempting to assert Jewish sovereignty inOttoman-controlled Palestine. They resented the new arrivals, who werepredominantly secular, and claimed that Jewish redemption could only bebrought about by the Messiah. They brought forth this argument from atalmudic Midrash (legend).

    o msamer72March 1, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Impressive numbers but wrong logic Bernard!Let us see, I am a poor guy who can barely make it each month.

    If I break into Warren Buffets vault and get myself 1 million dollars of his40+ BillionsHey I want to live on a sound financial ground! What would that make me?I guess a peace loving person who wants to live in peace with Mr. Buffet!?or would it simply make a thief who stole something that is not his?And if Mr. Buffet decide to fight me to get his Million dollars back,Would he be then considered evil person for not allowing me to share this tinypiece of cash?Come on Mr. Buffet it is only 1 million vs 40 Billion!See the slippery slope my friend I would not even go there.

    Note: All respect goes Mr. Buffet, I do admire every aspect of him and hissuccess.

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    LisaDecember 15, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    One definitive way to solve the conflict is to have the U.S. take over the area and

    annex it then there would be separation of church (religion) and state and allnationalities